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    Hello!

    The title says it. Could you please write down some pros and cons about flash?
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    Con: it's Flash.
    Pro: it allows us to waste hours out of the day watching Jon Lajoie videos.
    Con: It's Flash.
    Con: ActionScript. What a piece of crap that thing is.
    Con: it requires a plugin.
    Con: there's not much left that Flash offers that say jQuery or other Javascript frameworks don't.
    Con: doesn't work on iPhones and other Apple products.
    Con: did I mention that it's Flash?
    Con: search engines have difficulty with indexing Flash content.
    Con: sites that are built with Flash usually lose money.
    Con: doesn't have any caching of objects retrieved from database, such as photos (at least this was true in MX2004...haven't bothered with that crap since then.)
    Pro: those Japanese roleplaying games where you end up building your strength and charisma and intelligence so that you can end up pretending to go have sex with an 18-year-old geisha girl. Wait...I'm married. I don't need that. That's a wash.

    I think you know what side of the Flash fence I'm on.
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    Senior Member MrTeapot's Avatar
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    Hehe quite biased

    Anyone else with something to say, or are the only pros watching Jon Lajoie and pretending to have sex with geishas?

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    Only thing I think he missed... Many corporate firewalls are blocking .swf and .fla files because they are being used to mask trojans and tracking garbage. I know I do.

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    I dislike it even more than Game.

    The only purpose it ever served was to let some immature designer show off his flash skills that absolutely no one wanted to see.

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    And you never look at porn, you just read the articles.

    Flash had many purposes in it's day ( actually does have some value now ) but with mobile trends, it's dying fast. Games for example ( if you're the type ), thousands if not millions of people play flash based games and get much enjoyment from it.

    I don't think flash was ever intended for full sites, but like pretty much every technology, people find creative uses for pretty much anything.

    I realized a long time ago, that just about every technology out there has helped push the current Internet to where it is today. Porn pushed server technologies and compression technologies into the new millennium. Without these improvements, everyone's browser, and networks would still be dragging today.

    I created 1 flash site for a client several years ago, because that is what they wanted. Under protest, I did it, but within a year a redesign was in order and we did the site using regular HTML and he finally was able to see first hand the difference and benefits of not using flash. So it was part of the natural progression, and I had first hand proof to show other potential clients why not to use flash for the whole site.

    Without flash, YouTube would have never grown like it did, the first 100,000 videos were flash based videos, as technology improved, they migrated to better systems.

    Point is... Every technology, good, bad or ugly has helped the Internet become what it is... And to better understand and appreciate where it's going... It's always helpful to know where we came from.

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    I fully expected to get flamed for my last post but Webzarus took the high road and simply pointed out at least part of what I missed.

    When I first became aware of flash there were sites that had all flash landing pages that took forever to load and seldom did the designer give any way to bypass it. So I got a bad taste from flash on my first exposure.

    Then I took a course in flash. I was hopeless. Even the step-by-step exercises in the textbook did not work for me until I did them 3 times. And I couldn't do anything without step-by-step directions. I just don't have the tech genes required to ever become a designer.

    Sometimes I am a bit envious of the rest of you that can do all that is required to be a designer.
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    I...I...I just read the articles. Really.
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    In working with Flash for a relatively short while now, I think the greatest con with Flash with concentration in Actionscript x.x is finding decent documentation that make sense and tutorials that actually work. Lately though, I've been using After Effects to construct my animations and although video files are decidedly huge, the ease that comes from making these animations in such editors is not nearly as daunting as trying to do it with code. My latest frustration with Flash comes from adding a Progress Bar that tracks the loading of external content into the Flash player. Now, I can do this just fine when it concerns using 1 button, 1 Event Listener, and 1 Progress Bar. But when trying to do it with multiples of such, I'm lost. To add to my dismay is that I can't seem to find any tutorials that address my need.

    A short while ago, Adobe released what can be considered a beta version of its latest brain child called Adobe Edge. From what I gather, it's going to replace Flash as it offers animations based on HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. I've toyed around with it and it doesn't seem all that difficult to work with. Especially since its UI is similar to After Effects. We'll see how well it measures up against Flash and if the web design community will embrace it.

    Working with any IDE has its advantages and disadvantages. It's true that search engines have a hard time indexing Flash content. Although Google's search engine will find text content inside Flash content, other search engines from what I've read will not. so now the question becomes if all the effort put into Flash content is worth it if it is not easily found. I know how I would answer.

    The other side of this coin is quite possibly the marketable value of those experienced with Flash and Actionscript. I'm about to receive an Associate's degree in web design next week. I have been looking for jobs every where I know to look. One of the most sought after skills I've seen is Flash experience. I can only attribute this to the difficulties that can come from using Flash. At least it's been no walk in the park for me. Either that or I'm just not Flashy minded so to speak. Either way it goes, there is still a job market for those that are fluent in Flash. OK, that's my rant, hope it helps and brings peace to someone's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delstu, post: 226691
    I fully expected to get flamed for my last post but Webzarus took the high road and simply pointed out at least part of what I missed.

    When I first became aware of flash there were sites that had all flash landing pages that took forever to load and seldom did the designer give any way to bypass it. So I got a bad taste from flash on my first exposure.

    Then I took a course in flash. I was hopeless. Even the step-by-step exercises in the textbook did not work for me until I did them 3 times. And I couldn't do anything without step-by-step directions. I just don't have the tech genes required to ever become a designer.

    Sometimes I am a bit envious of the rest of you that can do all that is required to be a designer.
    What is required to be a designer? I'd like to know.


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