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    i think microsoft made my TI-83 plus because it is always crashing and hanginh up (really)

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    Originally posted by rjahrman
    "And you know all the games are good--all six of them--because we've played them for PC years ago."
    "When you want to upgrade a PC, you have to mess around with cables, and cases, and circuits, and all kinds of other junk. But with Macs, you just pick it up, throw it away, and get another one!"
    1. Get a console; a computer is not designed for gaming, it's designed for work. I have an Xbox (by Microsoft!) and love it. Superior hardware compared to all of the consoles, and has quite a few games now.
    2. You obviously haven't worked with a Mac made in the last 5 years.
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    Most companies are set up to make money.
    A decent company makes enough money to pay its way.
    A good company makes a profit.
    A great company makes lots of money and provides employment etc.

    So why, when a company make lots and lots and lots of money, is it deemed bad?

    MS unified the various command line operating systems allowing people to actually USE pc''s without building one - then gave us windows. OK it may have its shortcomings but why not post a list of all the things that DO work with windows and I'll do the list of things that don't work. I bet I'm finished before you.

    Mobile phones have about as much coding on them as the average BIOS chip so they aren't a comparison. Ditto calculators.

    What people don't realise is that home computers are NEW. That's right, they are still infants in this world. PC only started appearing regularly on desks in the 80's so let's say they are around 20 years old in their current guise.

    In 1930 would your car start on a cold day with no hassle? The technology for cars was comparable then to where PC's are now - cars are reliable now because they've had the best part of a century to evolve.

    I remember people getting excited about DOS 6, Win 3x, Win95, 98, 2K, XP - all of which were going to revolutionise our lives. Give PC's a chance to grow up and enjoy the benefits of any OS rather than picking away at bugs.

    We can't want an industry to move as fast as IT does and expect it all to work flawlessly - look at the state of web sites - compatibility, speed, reliability are all appaling. Writing sites is a crude art and yet we think things like flash are the way forward because they are flavor of the month. The Internet is a disorganised mess. Yes you can access 3.4 billion pages of text through Google but 3.3 billion of those pages are junk.

    Any industry where something is considered old after 18 months is not an established industry so we are the generation who must suffer the problems faced by those that use anything new anything new.

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    Originally posted by filburt1
    1. Get a console; a computer is not designed for gaming, it's designed for work. I have an Xbox (by Microsoft!) and love it. Superior hardware compared to all of the consoles, and has quite a few games now.
    Actually, I have both an XBox and a computer and prefer computer games . . . I'm more a fan of RTS's, which IMHO computers are better at.

    And I was joking about Macs not being upgradable--in fact, I've upgraded them myself. I'd probably be on a Mac too if I wasn't doing Windows software development.


    But, for the record, the fact that XBox's don't crash is proof that bugless software is possible. Unfortunately, because the consumer's expectations of a computer are that it will crash, Microsoft doesn't care quite as much (although I have to admit, XP is a step in the right direction).

    That being said, does a "great company" neccessarily make great software? If their profit is ultimately detrimental to the consumer, then why are they being applauded for achieving that proft?

    I agree with mossoi in that computers are young. However, when people realize that it is POSSIBLE to have bugless software, that's when Microsoft will start trying to improve.


    Of course, a lot of people probably disagree with me, so at the risk of starting a flame war I'm not going to say anything else on this thread.

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    Originally posted by rjahrman
    But, for the record, the fact that XBox's don't crash is proof that bugless software is possible.
    LMAO! They sure do crash!!!
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    Well the reason that the Xbox doesn't crash (that often ) is because each game developed for it is developed within strict rules for an OS which has a lot less to deal with. There are much weaker regulations for people developing for windows which is why programs on windows often create errors and crash.

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    Originally posted by filburt1
    Whenever somebody trashes Windows, I like the reply of: You write 40 million lines of code and have each work perfectly.
    Not only that, try to anticipate and compensate for the random, erratic, and moronic behaviour that many people will exhibit when trying to use their computer. I've seen a guy once who managed to somehow change the date of every file on his system to January 4, 1980 by, as he put it, "changing the programmer attributes within the scalable infrastructure of the environment". By the way, if you don't know what he's talking about...neither did he.

    I've also seen people who used to turn off their machine by hitting CTRL-ALT-DEL, waiting for POST to complete, then shutting their machine off, people who tried editing win.ini in Microsoft Word, adding bold text to what they thought was important, somehow managing to save the new win.ini file and naturally messing up the entire system, trying to use two different word processors to edit the same document at the same time, sent credit card numbers to hotmail accounts via email...and that was only one office. How the hell can Microsoft, or any other operating system, be expected to develop something bug-free when most of the time the error code is "123456789A: Error lies between left and right ear. Please perform a hard reboot of your skull, unless you're experiencing blue screens of death before your eyes, in which case just lie down and let Jesus do the rest."
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    "123456789A: Error lies between left and right ear. Please perform a hard reboot of your skull, unless you're experiencing blue screens of death before your eyes, in which case just lie down and let Jesus do the rest."
    Very well put, I agree totally, but you can't blame the person for not knowing how to operate the computer. It's designed for the basic user all the way to the advanced, and eventually the beginner will stumble upon something advanced like the win.ini. True they shouldn't be there if they don't know what they are doing, but that's hardly an excuse.

    As for consoles vs PC, I prefer the PC, though for fast action games like FPS and racing the console rules, for strategy, turned based, and online gaming, nothing beats the PC.

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    Originally posted by [Li] Brad
    but you can't blame the person for not knowing how to operate the computer.
    Yes you can. The user is the only person to blame. With the affluence of Windows for Dummies books, there is no reason not to know how to work a computer before you turn one on.

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    Exactly. If you can't blame the user for not being able to use a computer, who exactly do you blame?
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