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    [COLOR=rgb(51, 51, 51)]Hi, this is my first time on this site. I've been thinking about getting into web design and development for a while now, to have as an extra skill. I just don't know where to begin. One course I've been look at is this one from Rutgers University:[COLOR=rgb(51, 68, 188)]https://rutgers.catalog.cerkit.rutge...e/display/6044[/COLOR]

    I just don't know really if this is what I should be looking for or this will give me the training that I need to break into the field. Any help or guidance would be great, thanks.[/COLOR]

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    Ad someone who was taught Dreamweaver and Flash in my college course on web technologies, my advice to you is to run away from this one. It seems to be more a course on how to use specific software rather than a course on web development and design. There are 7 modules on Flash and another 7 on Dreamweaver - these are the two most-expensive and least-used software applications I own. If you're going to spend a couple of grand on learning how to do this, spend it on learning the languages (PHP, MySQL, javascript, .ASP .NET - that sort of thing), not specific and very limiting software.
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    AlphaMare: learn ASP.NET. ASP is good to learn. .NET is like learning ASP on HGH, though. There's just so much more you can do. I'm building some badass stuff with it, including a wireframe of a site for a record label that will allow me to set up one website to serve content based on the domain name with an SQL server backend. And I'm still learning stuff. It also handles images and uploading much better than ASP does.

    robbie24, I can tell you everything that you need to know about this particular course by quoting a single passage:
    You will need to use the Adobe© Software applications listed in the curriculum outlined below - these are available as an option during the registration process, if you do now already have access to a licensed copy of any of these applications.
    I can understand a typo when the letters are beside each other and/or transposed. I don't have a clue how a so-called major university manages to screw that up, though. Yes, it seems nitpicky, but when coupled with the outline of the course itself (learning web design using "Point-and-Click software"), it sends a strong "stay away" message, as AlphaMare pointed out.

    If you're going to learn how to design...really learn...the only way you're going to do it is through experience and solving real-world problems. You might find a course that will teach you how to use tools such as Photoshop and how to code properly (not bloody likely on the latter), but ultimately you'll have to learn by doing. In other words, the training won't make you a designer/developer...only you can make you a designer/developer.
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    Hi, Game -
    learn ASP.NET. ASP is good to learn. .NET is like learning ASP on HGH, though. There's just so much more you can do. I'm building some badass stuff with it, including a wireframe of a site for a record label that will allow me to set up one website to serve content based on the domain name with an SQL server backend. And I'm still learning stuff. It also handles images and uploading much better than ASP does.
    I've been reading online and trying to figure out how .ASP.NET differs from PHP - about all I can find out is:
    • they both use some flavour of SQL database to serve content,
    • .ASP.NET needs to be compiled each time a change is made (wouldn't that add a lot to the time needed to actually get a site done?)
    • .ASP.NET will only run on a Windows server

    Can you clarify a bit for me what the benefits are for using .ASP.NET over PHP?
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    The compliation thing isn't really true. It's "sort of" true, but not really true. The code only needs to be compiled when it's uploaded to a live server. If you're working on it on say a development machine running XP or Vista, you don't need to compile it at all.

    When you do need to compile it, all you need to do is run a specific command at the command prompt and away you go. I personally put mine into a batch file so then I just click the batch file and it runs and does some other things which take about 30-40 seconds. So the amount of time taken isn't that much.

    1) It's not PHP. Seriously, PHP is one of the messiest languages I've ever seen.

    2) Since it is compiled when it's live, it runs more quickly as a result.

    3) It works much more nicely with Access and SQL Server, since it was built for that sort of thing.

    4) It's built to work well with the best free web development tool out there, Visual Web Developer Express. The Intellisense thing is a huge timesaver, and even works with custom functions and subs. So it more than wipes out the time taken to compile the code.

    5) You don't need a line of code to call an include every time, since your "includes" are all .vb files in the App_Code directory and/or DLLs in the bin directory.

    6) Master page files. .NET is the only framework I have ever seen that has created a file type specifically for layout. So you actually can separate your layout from your content, as opposed to the archaic and borderline stupid "header.(ext)" and "footer.(ext)" method.

    7) Code-behinds. You can lay out your page in a .ASPX file, and then add the programming aspects using a .vb code-behind (the code that goes behind the page) or a .cs file. Once again, separating layout from content.

    I could probably think of more, but I have to go do stuff now. My wife's being impatient.
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    * bump *

    I don't normally bump threads, but just so you know where some of your tuition dollars will go...

    http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2011/04/02/17848911.html

    And would someone please explain to me how these Jersey Shore people are so popular? I don't get it at all.
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    I would have to agree with Alpha and GAME,

    No college course is gonna do what you need, you are gonna need many different disciplines.

    There are basically two sides to web design. The "code" side, and the "graphic" side. You will need to master many skills on both sides to get good at it.

    All you need is online and free for the taking, tutorials, tools, books, etc, etc. Start with HTML, and work your way up.
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    What Mike said.

    The only reason to get "trained" is if you're planning on getting a job where the piece of paper you just bought means something other than "you bought a certificate, degree or diploma." The information is readily available for the most part, and what isn't can be discovered. The only challenge is separating kernels of useful information from the vast majority of disinformation (especially as it pertains to anything involving online marketing).
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    I agree that web design including code and graphics, but to be fluent in a process...


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