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    Hi,

    I have one of the many questions that have probably been repeated over and over again. I am considered new to web site building, I graduated from the University of Phoenix online for Web design and it felt rushed, so some of the languages I've learned weren't fully understood, basically JavaScript, and it's has been tricky subject for myself.

    I use Dreamweaver to see my designs, though I hand code my CSS and HTML I have a basic external CSS sheet which I tweak depending on the site, and HTML is pretty much a breeze. I have difficulty with Javascript and was wondering if Dreamweaver is worth using to implement my JavaScript code. I've Picked up supplemental books that state Dreamweaver may have larger chunks of JavaScript code, but has higher browser compatability.

    I have had a hard time finding local companies that rely on Dreamweaver for their Javascript coding, but a friend of mine that works for one of these companies doesn't know JavaScript or PHP, I've asked for advice and I get a response " we have a guy that does that".

    I intend on learning these languages to code by hand, but I am currently using Dreamweaver to aid in these codes. Should I be using these "Dreamweaver built" sites as part of my portfolio or am I really wasting my time without actual hand coded JavaScript and PHP?

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    This one line alone basically tells you everything you should know about most books pertaining to the web:
    I've Picked up supplemental books that state Dreamweaver may have larger chunks of JavaScript code, but has higher browser compatability.
    I don't know what author is of that opinion, but it's flawed. Javascript browser compatibility is strictly dependent on the code itself and how good the coder is. Whether it's created by Dr*amw*av*r or by hand has no real impact as such. Hand-coding is always the better option because you'll know how the code works, you can customize the code, and assuming you do it properly (which you can learn over time) it'll be cleaner than any of the mess DW comes up with. Their mouseover code in particular is one of the biggest train wrecks ever unleashed upon society (and given the advent of CSS hover effects, totally archaic).

    So this isn't really a debate to me. You hand code it if you can and you try to wean yourself off of DW.
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    DW makes for a decent, if not expensive, coding environment. The thing is, Aptana, Notepad++ and a plethora of others do the same thing, and they're free. I've never found much use for anything else DW does. Like GAME said, if you code it yourself, you know how it works, and you'll spend a lot less time pulling your hair out when it does break...and it will break. I have seen more questions on here about the dang Spry menus than I can count. I could keep going, but I would spoil others' chance to bash on DW. And yes, I have used it, and I scrapped it for Aptana in a hurry.
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    I personally like Dreamweaver, but not for coding. I do all of the HTML and CSS myself. If I need any type of Javascript, I search online for reliable and clean-cut scripts.

    I mainly like Dreamweaver because I can work on a website, and by the push of a button, I can upload all of my work to the server, rather than logging on and uploading them manually.

    I also like how Dreamweaver finishes the code for you. As an example of what I mean, I can type "<d" and then press "ENTER", and Dreamweaver finishes the code to: "<div>". It speeds up coding a little.
    Lastly, I like how I can access all of my stylesheets with my design, instead of loading up each stylesheet individually.

    In the end, I have complete control over my coding, so I don't have a mess at the end of building a website and the program does have SOME useful tools.
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    Tag completion (which is the finishing of the code) exists in Visual Web Developer and I believe Notepad++. Great feature, but it's not exclusive to DW.

    As far as searching for scripts goes...see what Ronald Roe just said.
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    I'm not a scripting person. I know HTML and CSS fairly well, and I'm learning PHP. As far as Javascript, I'm lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264, post: 214373
    Tag completion (which is the finishing of the code) exists in Visual Web Developer and I believe Notepad++. Great feature, but it's not exclusive to DW.
    Notepad++ doesn't that I'm aware of. Aptana (or any other Eclipse-based IDE) does have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackhawk095, post: 214360
    I mainly like Dreamweaver because I can work on a website, and by the push of a button, I can upload all of my work to the server, rather than logging on and uploading them manually.
    That's funny - it's one of the (many) things I don't like about DW.

    I use Filezilla for my uploads and like the way I can just highlight whole folders for upload and then either watch them go up or go get a coffee while it does the work.
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    I'm more of a fan of CoreFTP that way. I can do the same thing (highlight certain folders or files) and more importantly I can tell it to only upload files that are newer than the ones on the server (i.e. folders/files that have changed or are new). Big time/bandwidth saver.
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    Those for profit schools can corrupt your mind and force you into bad habits. First and foremost, DW has an abundance of features that 90% of it's users are never going to use. It's a great tool, but it's heavy, and can be very slow. Your main problem is the fact that you are still trying to write raw javascript (I think). In the past, almost everyone copied and paste javasrcipt snippets. It was an annoying language. Today you have multiple Javascript libraries, that help you "do more and write less" (borrowed quote). You have Dojo, Moo Tools and Jquery.
    I would not waste my time with Spry. You can pick up a multitude of books on any of the JS libraries mentioned above that will dramatically improve your productivity. If you comfortable using DW, more power to you, as long as you get it done the right way is all that matters. If it's getting in your way, drop it like a bad habit. Like a bunch of people have mentioned before, there are a bunch of tools out there that are just as effective and are free.99
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