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    Have you ever imagined...

    How you ever imagined how the internet would be like without WordPress, Dreamweaver, and things like that?
    The internet would probably be a much better place with well coded websites, minimum amount of generic blogs, and less "design companies".

    What do you think?
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    As I've said before... DW is not the problem... Its the "code generator" built into DW that makes people think they can point and click their way to be a design company ...

    But there's always "cycles"... And things that aren't necessairly so great for everyone, something usually Ok comes out of it...
    In the early days... Search engines were all new... Shiny ... Helpful... Until porn sites realized that with a simple word list embedded in a page to get them top rankings... So every generic term you'd search for would return results to porn sites.

    rather annoying yes... But it forced he search engines to "do things better".... Speaking of porn... Without porn being the driving force behind the seedy side of the Internet ... And the "overabundance of it"... Porn companies actually "pioneered" streaming video... And enhanced "compressions"... And ISP's had to beef up their networks... And... Well, you get the idea...

    myspace ... What can I say ... It introduced "social" media... Now its gone .

    I can't think of a positive for WP... But eventually, as technologies get better... And designers are forced to actually design... Because a WP site "out of the box" will be realagated to no higher than page 10 on any search engine ( yes, I do see that in the future )... And companies realize their investment better spent on something other than WP.... Only positive I can see happening short term.

    so yes, I can imagine... If and what if... But I much rather would imagine... What I'm going to do next that my customers can benefit from and I can make "mo money" ... On.

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    I can see that coming as well, if for no other reason that Google will get tired of sending out hack notices in webmaster tools. From an algorithmic standpoint, it'd be incredibly easy since just about every WP site is organized the same way. Personally, though, I think they'll cut the sploggers off at the knees.

    I think Joomla will be next, although it'll be years away and it'll only be after all the WP zealots get caught with their pants down and go to the next logical progression.
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    Ok maybe dreamweaver isnt completely useless but hate it. The gui is ugly. I don't like how it functions and how its set up. I wont even use its built in ftp because im a FileZilla kind of guys. The only thing its good for is the code sense thing that automatically corrects you. (forgot how its called.. telesense?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Yurlov View Post
    Ok maybe dreamweaver isnt completely useless but hate it. The gui is ugly. I don't like how it functions and how its set up. I wont even use its built in ftp because im a FileZilla kind of guys. The only thing its good for is the code sense thing that automatically corrects you. (forgot how its called.. telesense?)
    So you rant on something... Because you don't like it... And you tell people it's a horrible useless thing that has cause the downfall of society ... Because you "never got it"?

    my grandmothers advice from 40 years ago, "if you don't like it for the same of not liking it, that's one thing, but if you don't like it because you have tried your best and still didn't like it", "different story".... "Now shut up and eat that chicken liver! ".

    Lot my personal favorite of hers ... "Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean you're right !!! "

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    Well that is some good advice. I wouldn't call what I said a rant though. I'm not baseing everything I said off of me not likeing it. I would assume most decent designers would never use Dreamweaver. Am I wrong in that assumption? I would personally take Aptana over Dreamweaver any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Yurlov View Post
    Well that is some good advice. I wouldn't call what I said a rant though. I'm not baseing everything I said off of me not likeing it. I would assume most decent designers would never use Dreamweaver. Am I wrong in that assumption? I would personally take Aptana over Dreamweaver any day.
    Not in this thread maybe, but you have ranted on DW in other threads... Telling people to just quit using it.

    yes, I would say your assumption is wrong, but that's probably because of your minimal exposure to "decent designers"... I know hundreds, some in big design shops, many that work in collaborative teams. Where "document control" and "revision control" is not only a requirement, but a necessary thing to keep the "insanity" to a minimum.

    big shops use different tools for different functions, but team design model requires the all to work in a controlled environment where you can "check out" and "check in" a file ... Meaning no one else can work on a file while you are... Keeping overwrite issues to a minimum.

    DW ( if setup properly ) handles this nicely...

    If you're a lone designer, and you and only you have access to files... Completely different mindset... And I'm all for someone using what they know how to and can efficiently use to produce results. Heck, if I'm troubleshooting a server issue... I've been know to use notepad that is installed on the server...

    As I've said many times before, I won't encourage ANYONE starting out to go out and buy DW. Or even use it for that matter. But I won't tell someone that has already purchased it, not to use it.

    DW has a pretty steep learning curve, especially if you're new to design, and DW ( as many other programs ), can and will lead you down the wrong path if you rely on the built in code generators... But those same code generators can be used as a very powerful teaching/learning tool also.

    to each his own... But I still won't hire anyone that only knows how to design using a WYSIWYG editor... If they "can't " use notepad or a text editor to write or edit code with... They are useless to me.

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    You're thinking of Intellisense, Andrew. And it's a good feature in the right editor...DW never was that editor. Sorry, WZ, but I gotta agree with Andrew on this one. The interface is clunky, the built-in FTP is flaky (I've had to reenter passwords several times on my father-in-law's machine because he insists on using it), and I'm nowhere near as productive on it as I am on say VWDE.

    If you can make it work and you're productive on it and you're not spitting out a mountain of crap, hey, good on you. Use whatever works. Tried DW, hated DW, hated the fact that Macromediadobe destroyed a much better editor (Allaire Homesite) in the process of foisting DW on the rest of us. I look at DW as a microcosm of the company in general, though...big, bloated, getting bigger and more bloated, and their downfall is coming. So I won't tie my can to it.
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    No idea what you're talking about "intellisense"... The version I've been using for what 9 years now... Was next to last that macromedia actually created before they were bought by adobe ... Just my opinion... Adobe bought macromedia to have something to deploy beta crap in before they rolled it into their own stuff... Or not.

    in comparison DWMX suite... Is a lean mean design environment ... Compared to all those "clunky versions"... And yes I have a liscense for and have tried all the newer adobe versions ... They never lasted more than a day on any of my machines... I always roll back to my DW.

    Still not going to tell someone that does have it not to use it... Just gonna tell them to only use it in code view ... Although I did see cs4 re-write some code that I was working on ( something my DW version has never done )...


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