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    Is there such a thing as black-listed or unfavorable servers?

    Hi everyone,

    I have a weird situation little observation to tell you about.

    30 days ago, I launched a small little niche website with a lot of keyword research done and implemented.

    As of today, I have 11 total hits. I'm pretty sure all by me. Now, I haven't made a lot of marketing efforts, but the thing is that crawlers/spiders/search bots should at least account for at least some random traffic. However, I have none of that type of traffic.

    One thing that is different about this site I speak of is that it's hosted on a new webhost that I found while lurking on the forums. That webhost gave me about a year of hosting for about $9. Now, I'm just speculating here, but could it be that this webhost is somehow unfavored by search engines, thus any content hosted on it's servers are not going to be crawled? Again, speculation, but the lack of any random traffic and the price make me think.

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    For sure put Google Analytics on it so you have some record of accesses.

    I tried to view ronswebsite.com and it hasn't loaded yet ... about 2 minutes now.

    Now I gave up waiting for it to load. Maybe it's loading for you because you have everything cached?
    Try accessing your site from someone else's computer.

    I'm guessing something is set-up wrong and the robots time-out for length of loading time.

    Also search for your webhost and see if anyone has reviews written. If you can discover any sites that use them, email those sites and find out what their experiences have been.

    EDIT:
    It finally loaded for me.
    Looks nice. I still think something is amiss with the webhost.

    EDIT AGAIN:
    Maybe the Google fonts are taking too long to load?

    http://googlewebfonts.blogspot.com/2...-font-api.html



    YET ANOTHER EDIT:
    Being in Minnesota, I've been to the home of Spam(trademark), Austin Minnesota, several times. I've had it only a couple of times in my life. I have not visited the Spam Museum yet.



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    Just because you did a lot of keyword research and implemented it doesn't mean that you've either done it right or that it will succeed. That's something you need to take into account right off the top.

    Search engines generally don't have a list of 'favorable' or 'unfavorable' hosts for a pretty simple reason: hosting and SEO are for the most part mutually exclusive. Good sites can exist on servers that also contain "spammy" or "SEOed" sites; bad sites can exist on good hosts; and all points in between. If you're one of those types that keyword-stuffs the title attributes of block-level elements or that thinks that "forum posting, blog commenting, directory submission and 10 other generic pieces of crap" is SEO, your host won't and generally can't get involved. The only way your host is going to get involved is if you're abusing resource in some way (e.g. sending out spam emails to promote your site) or you're violating intellectual property rights or something of that nature.

    Here's a hypothetical example. Let's say you have a site hosted on GoDaddy servers (I know this isn't the case because they don't charge $9 a year for hosting, so that's why it's hypothetical). For all the criticisms of GoDaddy, most people would probably say that Google wouldn't have them in an "unfavorable" category as far as hosts are concerned should such a category exist. But here's the thing most people don't know, including me until 24 hours ago...GoDaddy will let you host an adult site on their servers. If you want to put porn on their servers and you have the legal rights to put up pictures and videos of the naked women and/or men that you want to base your site off of, you have every right to go ahead and do that and GoDaddy won't blink (they do, however, draw the line at child porn for obvious reasons).

    I'm not judging porn in any way, shape or form; if you want to look at one or more consensual adults doing whatever that way, then hey, it's all good. But by the same token, it's not what one would call mainstream accepted content. And if you happen to have a non-adult site on the same shared server as an adult site, does that mean you're going to be lumped in with the adult site? No. You had nothing to do with the other site, and search engines are smart enough to recognize that.

    So your problem isn't that of an "unfavorable" server. I'd suggest checking your robots.txt file. Check to see that you're not blocking bots there. Check your meta name="robots" tag (if you have one) and make sure you're not blocking it there. Check your raw logs and see if the bots are visiting (keep in mind that this isn't something you'll see in Google Analytics...you either need to analyze your raw logs or get something like AWStats to do it for you and give you a rough idea). Submit your site to Google Webmaster Tools and see if there are any crawl errors or other technical issues (try Fetching your page as Googlebot and make sure it works). If there's a crawler issue to be found, it'll likely be found in those spots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlseim View Post
    For sure put Google Analytics on it so you have some record of accesses.

    I tried to view ronswebsite.com and it hasn't loaded yet ... about 2 minutes now.

    Now I gave up waiting for it to load. Maybe it's loading for you because you have everything cached?
    Try accessing your site from someone else's computer.

    I'm guessing something is set-up wrong and the robots time-out for length of loading time.

    Also search for your webhost and see if anyone has reviews written. If you can discover any sites that use them, email those sites and find out what their experiences have been.

    EDIT:
    It finally loaded for me.
    Looks nice. I still think something is amiss with the webhost.

    EDIT AGAIN:
    Maybe the Google fonts are taking too long to load?

    Google Fonts Blog: Optimizing the use of the Google Font API



    YET ANOTHER EDIT:
    Being in Minnesota, I've been to the home of Spam(trademark), Austin Minnesota, several times. I've had it only a couple of times in my life. I have not visited the Spam Museum yet.

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    Actually, the site in question (the one with 11 hits) is not my main website. I'm not going to post a link to it just yet.

    And spam... I'm guessing you're mentioning spam because I'm from Hawaii? LOL. Yeah, I never thought about how much of a commodity it is, but if you go to the grocery store, you can typically find at least 3 flavors, including a festive turkey SPAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264 View Post
    Just because you did a lot of keyword research and implemented it doesn't mean that you've either done it right or that it will succeed. That's something you need to take into account right off the top.

    Search engines generally don't have a list of 'favorable' or 'unfavorable' hosts for a pretty simple reason: hosting and SEO are for the most part mutually exclusive. Good sites can exist on servers that also contain "spammy" or "SEOed" sites; bad sites can exist on good hosts; and all points in between. If you're one of those types that keyword-stuffs the title attributes of block-level elements or that thinks that "forum posting, blog commenting, directory submission and 10 other generic pieces of crap" is SEO, your host won't and generally can't get involved. The only way your host is going to get involved is if you're abusing resource in some way (e.g. sending out spam emails to promote your site) or you're violating intellectual property rights or something of that nature.

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    So your problem isn't that of an "unfavorable" server. I'd suggest checking your robots.txt file. Check to see that you're not blocking bots there. Check your meta name="robots" tag (if you have one) and make sure you're not blocking it there. Check your raw logs and see if the bots are visiting (keep in mind that this isn't something you'll see in Google Analytics...you either need to analyze your raw logs or get something like AWStats to do it for you and give you a rough idea). Submit your site to Google Webmaster Tools and see if there are any crawl errors or other technical issues (try Fetching your page as Googlebot and make sure it works). If there's a crawler issue to be found, it'll likely be found in those spots.
    Thanks for the tips. I'll try them when I have some time next week.

    I know my hypothesis seems unreasonable, for the things you mentioned above, but again, 11 hits in 1 month was just plain odd and I concluded that it's possible some other force may be in play. Not even a single Russian bot traveled to my site to fish for emails and phone numbers - super odd.

    Oh and no, it's not a porn site. It's actually about vegan products. I'll post it in the reviews section one day. I did not know Godaddy allows adult content. I know that the market must be overloaded by pron sites, but anything having to do with pron has a possibility of being lucrative (I don't really know bc I haven't done the research) and maybe if I find a nice niche, I might make a side project in the future. And if my vegan site still doesn't get enough traffic by year's end, I may follow your hints and turn it into a VEGAN PORN site .

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    You're going to have some malnourished pr0n stars then. :P

    How are you measuring the "hits" you're talking about, anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264 View Post
    You're going to have some malnourished pr0n stars then. :P

    How are you measuring the "hits" you're talking about, anyway?
    Well, hits are tracked by Analytics. Not unique visitors, simply hits.

    Another reason I think it may be server related is because I host another site on the server. It has the same issue of lacking random traffic.

    I'm not saying all this makes sense from server perspective, I'm just recognizing patterns.

    But more than likely, I'm just going to change servers onto my Bluehost server to see if there is a change. If I suddenly start getting random traffic, that'll allow me to make a more conclusive statement about the issue.

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    Then that's why you don't see bots. Analytics doesn't track bots...only real people. That includes Google's bots. If it's a niche site and it's new, 11 "hits" (I'm guessing you mean pageviews) is not out of the ordinary. It's a new site and it targets a small market. That's the nature of a niche site.

    You need to review your raw logs, submit your site to Google Webmaster Tools and Bing's equivalent but not-quite-there-yet version, see what pages are indexed, see if there are any crawl errors, etc. and so on.

    Don't move servers until you've reviewed your submissions to GWT and BWT and unless you have any issues. They'll be able to tell you things we can only speculate on. If they're reporting several 500 errors or significant downtime, by all means move it, but don't move it just because you're not seeing traffic.
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    Wow, you were right.

    I looked up AWstats in the control panel and there it seems I'm getting some action from the bots.

    Not even all my pages are getting crawled though, so it seems I messed up somewhere in the XML sitemap. And it looks like I got some marketing or link building to do.

    Thanks for your help.

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    Not necessarily. It may not have been crawled yet because it may not have been crawled yet. Just because you have a valid XML sitemap doesn't mean that any or all of the pages in it will be crawled at all, never mind right away.

    You can validate your sitemap in GWT as well if there's an issue. You should sign up for it if for no other reason than to integrate it with Analytics. Won't cost you anything, either.
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