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    Twitter Bootstrap and Frameworks in general

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    Does anyone use frameworks? I'm a purist and like to do things myself because it seems like the frameworks come loaded with way too much, especially CSS that you may not even use.

    But I know some people use it, and maybe I could be building better websites if I started from a framework instead of from scratch every time. It seems contradictory page speed because everything I've read about page speed suggests linking to fewer files in the head section, yet the frameworks always come with a billion css files. so what's up with that?

    Also, it seems like Twitter bootstrap also talks about something called .less, what do I use that for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garek007 View Post
    Does anyone use frameworks? I'm a purist and like to do things myself because it seems like the frameworks come loaded with way too much, especially CSS that you may not even use.
    I don't, and mostly for that same reason. But here's the thing: you don't have to start from scratch every time. Create your own framework that has just what you need and nothing else. It doesn't have to be a big, bloated mess like Bootcrap. It can be a slim, modular setup that you can grab just what you need out of.

    I use Sass, and I keep a set of mixins, variables and other files that I @include. That way, I just include what I need, and it's added in when the Sass compiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Roe View Post
    I don't, and mostly for that same reason. But here's the thing: you don't have to start from scratch every time. Create your own framework that has just what you need and nothing else. It doesn't have to be a big, bloated mess like Bootcrap. It can be a slim, modular setup that you can grab just what you need out of.

    I use Sass, and I keep a set of mixins, variables and other files that I @include. That way, I just include what I need, and it's added in when the Sass compiles.

    Thanks Ron. I did set up some of my own, just started though, so it's pretty light at the moment. I'll have to look into Sass.

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    It's a good question, garek, but it leads to a question of its own...are we talking about server-side frameworks and / or client-side?

    My answer is somewhat similar to Ron's either way, but there is some variance depending on server vs. client side. I primarily use the ASP.net 4.0 framework these days for server-side programming, but as a base...I take what it has to offer me, add onto it, and then I've given myself a custom-modded and ever-evolving version of the framework as my own base. In other words, I use it, but not as the end point.

    Client-side...primarily jQuery. I haven't really built a lot of the equivalent functionality using pure JS, and I'm not sure I ever will bother. For CSS, though, no...developed my own CSS "reset" file long before people were calling them resets (and even before Eric Meyer's abomination).
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