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    How long did it take you to get your first full time Job?

    How long did it take you to get your first full time Job?

    Right now i dont have a job, currently studying and sooner making a website.
    I read an article make fake website as your portfolio for the company
    that your applying. What are your views on self taught vs formal education when it comes to web programming, also are certificates really worthless in the web design field?

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    Never had one. That's not to say I haven't had jobs. I just haven't had a full-time job since 1998 in the sense that I worked for someone else exclusively for 40 hours a week. Nor would I ever do that...I work with several different people, not for them. There's a significant difference between the two. This doesn't mean I don't work full-time hours...I do, and then some. I'm a gun for hire, though, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Views on self-taught vs. formal education? I'm self-taught, but I'm not against formal education as such. What I have a problem with, and what I always have had a problem with, is that there is a serious issue involving brainwashing and the Ontario public education system (and seemingly others as well). The education system comes complete with a socialist agenda and a teachers' union that has far too much power for the good of the students. I was once punished on a report card for revealing to a teacher that I am a fiscal conservative...and this was in an economics class. This is why I taught myself...that, and when I taught myself initially back in the Dark Ages of the Mid-90's, there were no courses available for web design. So I've never had a degree, never needed a degree, and never wanted a degree. It's worthless to me.

    Basically, if you want to succeed in this industry, you need to do something that you haven't shown you can do yet and that most people have no ability to comprehend, never mind do...you need to find a unique value proposition. That means that you need to know something or do something or know a combination of things or do a combination of things that no one, or at least very few people, can. That doesn't come from just drawing pictures and reading advice on websites and asking generic questions, either...that's a starting point, but it's far from your ending point. That comes from solving problems, that comes from learning the tools that can solve the problems and how they work, and that comes from building things that work (and ones that don't) and understanding what does / doesn't work about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264 View Post
    Never had one. That's not to say I haven't had jobs. I just haven't had a full-time job since 1998 in the sense that I worked for someone else exclusively for 40 hours a week. Nor would I ever do that...I work with several different people, not for them. There's a significant difference between the two. This doesn't mean I don't work full-time hours...I do, and then some. I'm a gun for hire, though, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Views on self-taught vs. formal education? I'm self-taught, but I'm not against formal education as such. What I have a problem with, and what I always have had a problem with, is that there is a serious issue involving brainwashing and the Ontario public education system (and seemingly others as well). The education system comes complete with a socialist agenda and a teachers' union that has far too much power for the good of the students. I was once punished on a report card for revealing to a teacher that I am a fiscal conservative...and this was in an economics class. This is why I taught myself...that, and when I taught myself initially back in the Dark Ages of the Mid-90's, there were no courses available for web design. So I've never had a degree, never needed a degree, and never wanted a degree. It's worthless to me.

    Basically, if you want to succeed in this industry, you need to do something that you haven't shown you can do yet and that most people have no ability to comprehend, never mind do...you need to find a unique value proposition. That means that you need to know something or do something or know a combination of things or do a combination of things that no one, or at least very few people, can. That doesn't come from just drawing pictures and reading advice on websites and asking generic questions, either...that's a starting point, but it's far from your ending point. That comes from solving problems, that comes from learning the tools that can solve the problems and how they work, and that comes from building things that work (and ones that don't) and understanding what does / doesn't work about them.
    could you be a freelance web designer,didnt try working at a company?

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    I'm a freelance developer, along with several other tasks.

    Like I said, I've worked at companies before, although not since 2002 and not full-time since 1997. I fit as well in a corporate structure as North Korea does in a discussion about countries that celebrate libertarian ideals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264 View Post
    I'm a freelance developer, along with several other tasks.

    Like I said, I've worked at companies before, although not since 2002 and not full-time since 1997. I fit as well in a corporate structure as North Korea does in a discussion about countries that celebrate libertarian ideals.

    so is it okey? didnt actually experienced working in a company?

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    Not for web design and development, no. Nor would I ever. I've been part of a team that way, but never inside the company.
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    @TheGAME ... There is no "i" in "team" .... oh, but wait ...
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    .... I think that there might be an "i" ...
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    To which I say a team player is the b|tch that does all the real work and goes unrewarded for his/her efforts while everyone else gets credit for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264 View Post
    To which I say a team player is the b|tch that does all the real work and goes unrewarded for his/her efforts while everyone else gets credit for it.
    so you worked ever since freelance? so i could do freelance also without even experience working in a company?

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    Depends on who you are and what you're all about, but it's a possibility.
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