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Thread: should i pursue making a website (college)? (i apologize if this is wrong section)

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    should i pursue making a website (college)? (i apologize if this is wrong section)

    Is being the owner of a forum really hard? I am thinking of starting one. But I am busy in college. I asked this question on yahoo answers and the top answer was kind of condescending. But is the answerer correct?

    (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...0150447AANTr5L)

    Should I go for making a forum?

    I donít plan on my forum being big anyway.

    Also I heard sometimes new websites get shut down.

    Why does that happen?

    How do I prevent it from being hacked if I go with designing the forum?

    Thank you very much.

    I am new sorry if this is in the wrong section.

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    That answer is correct, unfortunately.

    If you have a passion for something unique, where there are others who may be interested, then maybe you could have a forum. Example, building model railroads or something not really common. You have to advertise so people know about your forum, and then you have to moderate all of the trolls, spammers, hackers, and sh*t that people do to bash everything. On this forum, I delete and ban about 5 people per week, and that's just me. There are other moderators on here as well.

    You're better off learning PHP, PDO/MySQLi, JQuery and creating something just for you.

    What are you taking in college?
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    I do not want to start from scratch I want to use one of the pre built formats. I know nothing of website design honestly but I am still interested. I actaully am studying and pursuing agricultural based classes.

    what i do wonder is if there is a way to keep my forum small. I am thinking of using a free domain(sorry if wrong terminology)

    could i appoint moderators while i am the owner/admin?

    also how do i prevent my forum from being hacked?

    thanks

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    As Max said, the answer is correct. The design, whether or not it's from scratch, is the least of your problems. Whether you like it or not is immaterial to it being the truth.

    There's no 100% way to keep your forum from being hacked. If you're going to use something prebuilt, that means that you're going to subject yourself to the strengths and weaknesses of whomever coded it, whether or not they're available for updates, whether they do updates, whether the forum is all but abandoned, etc. Your best hope is vigilance and a quick response on your end if and when things do go pear-shaped, as they're bound to. That, and regular backups. The size of the forum is also immaterial in this case; if it's exposed to the public, it's a potential target for hackers and spammers (the latter being the much bigger problem).

    A website can be shut down for any number of reasons: excessive resource usage on the hosting plan, linking to and/or posting of content that violates a host's ToS, the host disappearing overnight (this doesn't happen much lately, but it was a big problem 10-15 years back), owners lose interest, etc.

    Here's what this all boils down to: you're building a site that will be interacted with by humans. Humans are irrational by nature; we're generally not logical beings. We say and do all kinds of stupid things for every reason under the sun and quite often no reason at all. We get hotheaded and stupid. We disagree and can't handle a counterargument, no matter how logical or truthful it may be. You own a forum, you're going to have to deal with that crap.

    If I could, I'd show you the ban list for this forum. We mods probably add 10-15 "users" a day for forum spam, copy/pasting other content (plagiarism, in case you're wondering why we ban for that), PM spam, linking to porn sites, and things that would make you lose all faith in humanity if you saw them.

    Like the Yahoo! answerer suggested, stay focused on your college degree. That's enough of a handful without dealing with the other stuff.
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    ok true maybe i should focus on getitng my degree first.

    when can i own a forum?

    An so your' saying if i lose interest in the site it just gets shut down?

    Also how often do i have to monitor my website? every day? once a week? do i have to read every post under the sun lol?

    would it make more sense if i am just the owner but appoint moderators?

    or how about this IDEA! what if i pursue the forum but if it interferes with college too much i just shut it down? would that make sense and be feasable?

    thanks i am new to making websites.

    i plan my forum to be more of a friends circle.

    can i restrict the number of users that use it?

    can i manage my website off of another computer besides my own? is it possible?

    thanks
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    You can subscribe to a webhost such as cleverdot.com

    You find a domain name not yet taken, and when you subscribe, you can do both accounts at the same time. Domain name hosting and website hosting are actually 2 different accounts, each one you pay for by the year. With cleverdot.com you can get the first year for $39.95 ... that's cheap. That includes BOTH accounts.

    Now when you get the webhost account, you can use your webhost control panel to automatically install a free forum (phpBB or Simple Machines). They do the whole install for you and you create the admin stuff, login and make it work. You can learn about how they work here, before you make your own:
    http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php

    Remember that if you use a webhost like cleverdot, the forum installation to your website is automatic. You only need to visit the SM website to get an idea of how it works.

    So in summary, you can try your hand at your own forum, with your own domain name for one year ... for only $40.

    Other than that, you also would have your own webhost account to use for other things at the same time. Maybe you want your own online file storage. And yes, everything is done online, from any computer, anywhere in the world.

    About your school ...
    Agriculture is interesting to me because it can involve a lot of environment control. Things like indoor greenhouses with temperature, humidity, soil moisture, etc. All of those things can be monitored by electronic sensors and data stored to a website. You can also control electronic devices through the internet. I'm an Electronic Tech, so I do a lot of real-world sensing and control over internet.
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    can i get a subdomain for free?

    will my website still be public. I will promote it through social media. I honestly don't care if it is popular.

    thanks

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    If you don't care if it's popular, why promote it? That doesn't make sense.

    You can probably get a forum subdomain for free. Here's the rule as far as public/private is concerned: if you don't password-protect it, it's public. If you password-protected, it might still be public, depending on the strength of your security measures and how your site is targeted.

    What may be easier for you to handle is something one of my clients does: they set up a private Facebook group and accept members on an application basis. You have to apply and the membership has to be approved. You'll still have to monitor a bit for people posting stuff that you don't want for whatever reason, but at least you'll avoid the spam.
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    true but my idea is that i will go with the custom forum project and if it is too hard to manage due to school i just delete it.

    (is it possible to delete your website?)

    Though I will think about pursuing the facebook group. My only question though is if my website is hacked with malware will my laptop that I am using get hacked?

    i know it is possible but does that USUALLY happen when websites get hacked or is it very slim.

    thanks

    also one more thing if i use simple machines as a forum base can I add forum art for free (ie just a few small pictures to show what my forum is about? )

    thanks
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    If you have your own website, you can do whatever you want.

    A free webhost account? Yes there are, but they are usually not 'free'. There are catches like, there must be some ads, or you are limited to file storage and bandwidth. Also, you won't have your own domain name. It will be a subdirectory within the free webhost.

    I can spend $40 and more for just a tank of gas. Surely you can spend $40 for one year of webhosting. I know college is expensive, but $40? If you don't like a forum, you can simply create a blank web page for your website and use your website for storing files online ... you can make your own 'cloud'.

    How about for AG classes, save your Word documents as PDF files and upload all of them to your website. Create a repository of valuable PDF files people can view and download, things pertaining to agriculture. Create Google Map mashups that have GPS locations of agriculture things.

    When you have a website, you create an FTP account (File Transfer Protocol). When you have that, you use free FTP software, like FileZilla to work with your website files. FileZilla puts your PC files on the left, and your website files on the right. You transfer stuff back and forth. Your website becomes like a USB drive, except you can access your files with your laptop (with FileZilla).

    People think websites are just web pages, but that is not what it is. You are renting storage space on an online server. Storage for anything.
    Last edited by mlseim; Dec 04th, 2016 at 06:48 PM.



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