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    Hi,

    Is there an average size (height and width) for a site that works best?

    I've a client who thinks that the entire contents of a site should fit in a browser no matter the size of the screen.

    I use a laptop and most sites are too big to fit entirely in the screen, but I know those same sites look rather small on a desktop.

    Thanks,
    greenpoint

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    It really depends on what the site is about, and how much content it has.

    I assume you're talking about width (not height)?
    Maybe if we see your client's site we can offer some advice.


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    Thanks for responding.

    Here's the site:
    http://www.americanoil1895.com/site/index.html

    The owner of the company would like all of the info to fit into the browser window even on a laptop. He's fine with the width, but I was suggesting--this is not my design--to make the site a little taller sot that when you click on the product list, the info doesn't go out the red side bar.

    Thanks again for your help!

    -gp



    Quote Originally Posted by mlseim
    It really depends on what the site is about, and how much content it has.

    I assume you're talking about width (not height)?
    Maybe if we see your client's site we can offer some advice.

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    So your concern is really about the page like "history", where the content
    goes farther down than the red sidebar?

    It's OK for people to scroll vertical? That's not an issue?

    I don't really see anything wrong with it right now, the way it is.
    I do think the font size is too small though. But making it more
    readable would even increase the height more yet.

    You should go for a more readable site and worry less about the scrolling.
    People are used to vertical scrolling, it's not an issue.

    If the red sidebar is the issue, you could make a sidebar that can repeat
    seamlessly down the left side ... a matter of repeating the curvy image in
    a way where when it repeats, it starts again in the correct "phase".


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    M,
    Thanks for taking the time to look at the site and letting me know that scrolling is ok. I'm pretty new so, I'm not up on all the best practices yet. Also, thanks for the tip on the type, that needs to be bumped up.

    Best,
    gp




    Quote Originally Posted by mlseim
    So your concern is really about the page like "history", where the content
    goes farther down than the red sidebar?

    It's OK for people to scroll vertical? That's not an issue?

    I don't really see anything wrong with it right now, the way it is.
    I do think the font size is too small though. But making it more
    readable would even increase the height more yet.

    You should go for a more readable site and worry less about the scrolling.
    People are used to vertical scrolling, it's not an issue.

    If the red sidebar is the issue, you could make a sidebar that can repeat
    seamlessly down the left side ... a matter of repeating the curvy image in
    a way where when it repeats, it starts again in the correct "phase".

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    M,
    Thought I'd ask you one question since I've been corresponding with you.

    The same client is asking me how many words google will read of his body copy. He said google is supposed to read the first paragraph of text and use that for page ranking.

    I've been searching all over to confirm this but can't find any info. Only on title tag stuff, not on how many words of body copy will be read in say the history page that you checked out.

    Would you happen to know the answer? Thanks for you time again.

    -gp





    Thanks for taking the time to look at the site and letting me know that scrolling is ok. I'm pretty new so, I'm not up on all the best practices yet. Also, thanks for the tip on the type, that needs to be bumped up.

    Best,
    gp[/quote]

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    Google's method of ranking is a highly held secret.

    You'll find SEO experts that insist they know the secrets, but they don't.
    Don't spend money on SEO "experts" ... you can get high rankings for free.


    I do know that these are important:

    <title> a good, descriptive title </title>

    <meta name="description" content="This is what the search engines will use to describe your site on a search result" />

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
    Specify a content-type, whether UTF-8 or iso-8859-1 ... specify it.

    Define a doc-type ... or it will put the browser into quirks mode:
    http://webdesign.about.com/cs/doctyp...quirksmode.htm

    Use text for content, not graphic images as content.
    Words should be REAL text.
    Your content should reflect what your site is about.

    Get a lot of other sites to link to your site.


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    Thx! Really appreciate it.

    I hit the postive button again, but it said I need to spread a reputation. Will do!

    Quote Originally Posted by mlseim
    Google's method of ranking is a highly held secret.

    You'll find SEO experts that insist they know the secrets, but they don't.
    Don't spend money on SEO "experts" ... you can get high rankings for free.


    I do know that these are important:

    <title> a good, descriptive title </title>

    <meta name="description" content="This is what the search engines will use to describe your site on a search result" />

    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
    Specify a content-type, whether UTF-8 or iso-8859-1 ... specify it.

    Define a doc-type ... or it will put the browser into quirks mode:
    http://webdesign.about.com/cs/doctyp...quirksmode.htm

    Use text for content, not graphic images as content.
    Words should be REAL text.
    Your content should reflect what your site is about.

    Get a lot of other sites to link to your site.

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    I'm not really even sure of what the reputation point thing does,
    so I don't pay much attention ... but thanks though.

    The best thing your "oil" client can do with his site, is to have several
    people view the website ... but not anyone he knows (only strangers).
    Have them view the site for 5 seconds and then close the browser.
    Ask them some questions about the site.
    1) What is the name of the company?
    2) What is the site about?
    3) Are they selling things, or is it just informational?

    A person who never has viewed it before should be able to answer those
    questions in a 5-second viewing of the site. If they are successful, then
    expand on it. Have them re-open the site and see if they can determine the
    purpose for having the site. If it's just to provide a contact (phone number),
    or are they selling a service or a product? They should be able to give you
    some good feedback on the success of the site "looks" and "navigation" and
    "purpose".

    If there is any confusion, or they cannot "pin-down" the purpose, wipe it out
    and start over. No reason to have a website that has no purpose.


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    M,
    Thought I'd ask you one question since I've been corresponding with you.

    The same client is asking me how many words google will read of his body copy. He said google is supposed to read the first paragraph of text and use that for page ranking.

    I've been searching all over to confirm this but can't find any info. Only on title tag stuff, not on how many words of body copy will be read in say the history page that you checked out.

    Simple. Content and proper coding will get you the best results. I'll give you an example:

    The site in my signature, Aero, gets great search results. In fact I just found out last night, if I search "Website design Detroit" my site comes up #2 behind the Google maps links. That is really high for searching a generic kind of term and pairing that with a large city. I was shocked. I also searched "Website design Port Huron", same results. In fact My site surpassed a pretty large web company that has been around for years in Port Huron and has probably 100 clients. I was always a few spots down from them until recently. That shocked me too.

    I must tell you that this did not happen until I redesigned my site about 4 or 5 months ago. The old one had very little content and was not properly coded. I got terrible search results with the old site.

    I must also tell you this:
    1) I am not on Facebook
    2) I am not on Twitter
    3) I do not have a Blog
    4) I do not use AdWords
    5) I don't have hardly any backlinks
    6) I didn't plaster keywords all over the home page

    I have not marketed this site at all on the internet or any other media! This forum and 1 other one are the only places I use and it's not to promote my site. It wouldn't work anyway. The reason I have not tried to market my site and generate business is because I have a couple of other things going that keep me too busy to push web design.

    Soooo, my theory is, build your site right with great code, spend lots and lots of time writing relevant content, and that is what gets search results. I do update my site with things here and there too, so I'm not sure if Google puts any weight on changing content or not. I have a feeling they do. This would prevent old stale sites from remaining at the top.

    I feel this is a pretty strong example to look at. Google is not stupid, they know all the tricks.


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