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    I am just re-learning web design trying to build a layout for my site.

    I've got the gist of basic HTML and how to make table layouts but from what I seem to see this method is out-dated. I'm slowly but surely picking up CSS and have noticed that youc an also make layouts using it.

    My concern is for the purpose of search engine optimization: Is CSS coding still read by spiders the same? Or if this is a concern should I stick with pure HTML? Are table layouts truly obsolete and what are the disadvantages of them?

    If someone could shed some light on this and share any additional info on layouts, good tutorials for building layouts, etc, I'd appreciate it.

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    Tables aren't made for use in layouts. That's what div's are for. SEO, as far as I'm concerned, depends on your content. Why would sites rank you according to CSS? That would make no sense. Since we're all pretty biased here, check out this article.
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    There is actually an SEO benefit to CSS, if coded correctly; it's difficult to do, but doable. If you can arrange for your content to load before the menus and the sidebars and all the other stuff, it makes for a better user experience since they get at the content more quickly and a better search engine experience since they can quickly and easily ascertain what an individual page is about...all the good stuff is right there.

    There's the biggest advantage for divs and the biggest disadvantage for tables for layout right there...if you're good enough, you can organize your site layout any way you want using divs. Tables are straight up top to bottom, left to right, no variance allowed whatsoever.

    This isn't to say that tables don't have a use. You just use them for data that would be tabular in nature (e.g. the rows and columns in an Excel spreadsheet could potentially be used in a table).
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    The main drawback to using tables....

    the browser has to download "everything" between the <table> </table> tags before the browser can show ANYTHING... " this is just the way browsers are designed..." as tables are for "tabular" data...

    If you're using CSS for the same page... as the elements are read into memory... the browser will start rendering them to the screen.... even better... if you use an external CSS... it's only loaded to memory 1 time for the entire site... the next page... the browser makes a "head" request to see if the "last modified" date is different than the one in memory ( or temp files )... if not... loads the local file...

    CSS is not something spiders really look at... except for a few elements that could be used to front load the content... or hide some content.. to try and boost keyword to page content relevance...( they do not index it at all )...

    Search engines look for content ( text only )... ignores most HTML tags... but does use H1, h2, h3,... li, ul tags in context to determine keyword or content strength

    Actually, there have been rumors for the past few years that Search Engines are actually giving some extra points for sites that are built using standards. CSS , XHTML, etc... no facts or stats to back that up... but the whole "thought process" behind that rumor... a site using CSS and validates takes less time and resources for the search engine to index. and typically... a site that validates and is built using standards is less likely to be a spam... junk... or scam site... and more likely to be a site that a business or organization has invested time and money in to "get it right"...

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    Hi

    You should have to learn table base designing because dive base designing is tough for you.

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    So we don't do things because they're hard, huh? Is that how life works? We don't learn how to walk because it's hard? We don't learn how to talk because it's hard?

    Bad answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264, post: 214344
    So we don't do things because they're hard, huh? Is that how life works? We don't learn how to walk because it's hard? We don't learn how to talk because it's hard?

    Bad answer.
    Nevermind he's discouraging people from learning the right way to do things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diligent, post: 213697
    My concern is for the purpose of search engine optimization: Is CSS coding still read by spiders the same? Or if this is a concern should I stick with pure HTML? Are table layouts truly obsolete and what are the disadvantages of them?

    If someone could shed some light on this and share any additional info on layouts, good tutorials for building layouts, etc, I'd appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Roe, post: 214355
    Nevermind he's discouraging people from learning the right way to do things.
    Good point, dude. I never considered the job security angle.
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    I appreciate all the feedback, thankfully we can put this to rest. I've been learning fairly quickly and now have basic knowledge of CSS and have successfully put a layout together. I initially made this thread not fully aware of how obsolete tables have become, how much CSS had been engraved into modern web design, and having heard false rumors that search engine spiders struggle to read CSS.


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