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    Junior Member Yahya Kisana's Avatar
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    I was also wondering witch one is more advanced, HTML5 or CSS3?

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    They are both part of the new generation of web code. Again, they are separate technologies that rely on one another to work properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Roe, post: 226810
    They are both part of the new generation of web code. Again, they are separate technologies that rely on one another to work properly.
    Car, gas - can't use just one...
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    Actually there are still millions of pages on the Internet that use only HTML, no CSS has ever been applied to them.

    That being said, if you are just learning, you might as well learn at least the basics of the technologies that are going to be around a while.

    As for HTML5, just so you know, not every tag in HTML 5 is supported by all the browsers just yet, so for learning purposes ( because troubleshooting is part of the design process ), you may want to stay away from HTML5 as a learning platform. I mean eventually we'll all head in that direction, but starting out, it would be easier to grasp if you weren't constantly running into issues that most people aren't even trying to deal with just yet.

    Personally, I would suggest learning with something that is fully supported by all browsers... Then once you're comfortable with that, move on to the next one.

    That's just me though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webzarus, post: 226848
    Actually there are still millions of pages on the Internet that use only HTML, no CSS has ever been applied to them.
    You're right, and pages must degrade gracefully, but from a designer's point of view I consider CSS to be an essential part of my toolbelt.
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    Alright!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webzarus, post: 226848
    Actually there are still millions of pages on the Internet that use only HTML, no CSS has ever been applied to them.
    The keyword in my post above was properly.
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    You're correct Ron, my post was in response to AM, about the car.

    The OP gave the impression of being completely new to all this... And me being the downer I am, I tend to focus on basics.

    My comments were not meant to offend or upset anyone, but I've been around a while, and most that know me, also know I don't speak of what I don't know about, but being the eternal realist, I may not always agree with everyone in the crowd especially when it comes to search or design.

    I once had a client decide not to work with me because he wanted a "web 2.0" site, he had no idea what web 2.0 actually meant so I explained to him that web 2.0 was not meant as a marketing buzzword about design or style, but more about how users interact with a site.

    I see learning web design no different than learning anything else, there is a built in progression, to the process, basics, then build on that. I've had way to many discussions and taught way too many classes over the years to think any differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webzarus, post: 226867
    You're correct Ron, my post was in response to AM, about the car.

    The OP gave the impression of being completely new to all this... And me being the downer I am, I tend to focus on basics.

    My comments were not meant to offend or upset anyone, but I've been around a while, and most that know me, also know I don't speak of what I don't know about, but being the eternal realist, I may not always agree with everyone in the crowd especially when it comes to search or design.

    I once had a client decide not to work with me because he wanted a "web 2.0" site, he had no idea what web 2.0 actually meant so I explained to him that web 2.0 was not meant as a marketing buzzword about design or style, but more about how users interact with a site.

    I see learning web design no different than learning anything else, there is a built in progression, to the process, basics, then build on that. I've had way to many discussions and taught way too many classes over the years to think any differently.
    No offense here, certainly - I guess my response was a bit flippant - but in reality yes, of course HTML can be used without CSS. However, as one who comes to coding from a design background, I do tend to write my CSS simultaneously with the HTML and so I think of them as interconnected.
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    I tend to think of them as interconnected as well, but from a coding background.

    HTML is presentation markup.
    CSS is design and styles.
    Javascript is client-side interactivity.
    Server-side languages are server-side interactivity.

    There's a place for everything, and everything has its place.

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