# Thread: Man, when I find a scam, I really find a scam

1. http://www.hostultra.com/freehosting.html

What's really scary is that this is a serious offer. And other than the fact that it would be completely impossible to fulfill and therefore is a complete pantload, it's a superb deal!

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3. Sweet, you know I've only run into one host that offers unmetered hosting, and plainly describes the terms of it to hostees. Unlimited is a bad bad word.

4. Yeah I know, that's why I bolded metered

5. Unmetered I can somewhat understand, since you're still watching for resource usage in general. Unlimited is physically impossible just on the basis of relatively simple math, which I will now demonstrate for the hosting NewbieType (BSTM).

Unlimited = infinite, as we all know.
Bandwidth = a finite amount, usually expressed in (bandwidth)/second.
1 Month <= 31 days x 24 hours x 60 minutes x 60 seconds, or 2678400 seconds.
(Bandwidth)/second (a finite number) x 2678400 = another finite number.
Another finite number <> infinite.

Therefore, since unlimited = infinite, bandwidth cannot be unlimited. Now this is a rather informal theorem that someone should assign a proper proof to at some point, but my algebra is rusty so someone else will have to go clean this up. You get the idea though.

So NewbieTypes (BSTM), remember: unlimited bandwidth does not exist.

6. Unlimited is in the Subset of infinite numbers.
Bandwidth is a ratio, and because of the division property, a ratio can approach infinity, but never achieve it.
Therefore, it cannot be in the Subset of infinite numbers.
Therefore, Bandwidth is in the Subset of finite numbers.

Time is in the Subset of finite numbers.

Bandwidth/second is a ratio, and because of the division property, a ratio can approach infinity, but never achieve it.
Therefore, it cannot be in the Subset of infinite numbers.
Therefore by association, Bandwidth/second is in the Subset of finite numbers.

According to the finite property, the finite number subset is not a subset of the infinite number subset.
(In otherwords, a finite number does not equal (DNE) infinity).

Therefore by association, bandwidth (and bandwidth/second) DNE infinity.
Therefore by association, bandwidth (and bandwidth/second) DNE Unlimited.
Therefore by association, unlimited bandwidth DNE.

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I'm a little rusty at my discrete structures, but that should be close enough.

7. Yeah, that'll do.

8. Interesting point this one. While I agree that unlimited in its true sense as infinite is incorrect in this instance there comes a point when common sense kicks in. A lot of advertising falls into this catergory.

In the UK Pizza Hut are offering unlimited trips to the "ice cream factory" for one price as well as unlimited soft drinks. Is this incorrect? The ice cream is limited in the amount one can eat, or how much stock is available, the life of the machine, the life of the company, the existance of the human race or the universe.

In essence nothing in the universe, ever, is unlimited so one has to take the term in its context which in this case is - "not limited by our customer policy" or something similar. It's a bit much to expect everybody to put the exact finite limits of anything on any documentation.

"Unlimited Hosting*"

* Please note, hosting is limited by bandwidth, available electricity supplies, absence of attack from aliens and a return to the dark ages, number of seconds until the universe ceases to exist, catastrophic ion storms resulting in the destuction of all electrical system and the fact that we are running a Pentium Pro from our basement.

Yes, technically it's incorrect, but linguistically it's possibly acceptable that the company is asserting that they do not DIRECTLY limit the bandwidth.

9. Originally Posted by mossoi
The ice cream is limited in the amount one can eat, or how much stock is available, the life of the machine, the life of the company, the existance of the human race or the universe.

In essence nothing in the universe, ever, is unlimited so one has to take the term in its context which in this case is - "not limited by our customer policy" or something similar. It's a bit much to expect everybody to put the exact finite limits of anything on any documentation.
True, but keep in mind that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. So in essence, ice cream is infinite. Now all we need is some ice cream wrestlers in bikinis, and we're all set!

**wired eyes Transio and Filburt and imagines them in bikinis wrestling in rocky road ice cream and shudders**

10. Originally Posted by mossoi
"Unlimited Hosting*"

* Please note, hosting is limited by bandwidth, available electricity supplies, absence of attack from aliens and a return to the dark ages, number of seconds until the universe ceases to exist, catastrophic ion storms resulting in the destuction of all electrical system and the fact that we are running a Pentium Pro from our basement.

Yes, technically it's incorrect, but linguistically it's possibly acceptable that the company is asserting that they do not DIRECTLY limit the bandwidth.
This is SO not true! It's usually a Cyrix or a 486. :laugh:

And if it's technically incorrect, then it's an unacceptable thing to say. They should say "we have no cap on our bandwidth; however, we do examine resource usage and reserve the right to terminate any site without refund..." etc. and so on. And if a host is going to do this, the host should also provide stats showing resource usage and things like that.

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