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    My frontpage for my website is 120 kb.

    Is that too large?
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    There's also the issue here of dynamic loading. Phong brought up the valid point that if the page was for a large company with lots of content it could exceed 120k (although large companies usually have the funds to be able to reduce such overhead).

    Let's consider the example where a company DOES hav ea lot of content for the homepage, though. Take for example http://www.tigerdirect.com. They have 150-160k of home page content. Despite that, their content loads really quickly.

    The way they accomplish it is simply by parsing out the site into different horizontal sections, and creating a root-level table or div that contains all of the content for that section. (notice how the banner loads before anything else?)

    Navigation images are loaded initially, with catalog images left for the end.

    FEW images are over 5k in size. This promotes a fast repetitive "image after image" load feel that users are used to experiencing.

    Text is displayed before any images are loaded because every cell is defined in size.

    The layout doesn't shift in size as images load because the image sizes are defined with explicit "width" and "height" attributes.

    The bottom 90% of the site has no layout graphics, using bgcolors and bordercolors to define the look of it. This is so that it will always appear "loaded", and you won't have big frame graphics popping in 10 seconds after you THINK it's loaded.

    These are all tricks that have been used for years.

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    It takes 18 mins to load an 120 KB webpage !!!
    Can we see an example of that page ???
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    18 minutes at what speed!? 2400 bps?

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    Did you mean 18 seconds? I found a Download Calculator online that gave 17 seconds for a 120kb file, on a 56k connection.

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    It cant be 18 minutes???? Laughing (AIM) what's the damn slow speed? it should be 18 secs..!
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    120 kb took me a while(few seconds) on my DSL connection.I tested on my friend's site(around that big).
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    Originally posted by splufdaddy
    Did you mean 18 seconds? I found a Download Calculator online that gave 17 seconds for a 120kb file, on a 56k connection.
    That's incorrect. That's assuming that a 56k modem actually downloads 56 kilobits of information per second (7.25 kilobytes). That is not the case, though. for each byte, there are about 2 bits of data transferred that contain packet routing information, so at best, you can get 45 kilobits per second off a 56k modem (that's 5.625 kilobytes per second).

    Ok, so now we take 120 kilobytes, and divide that by 5.625 kilobytes per second, and voila!

    21.333 seconds

    it's pretty easy to remember. Whatever your connection speed is, just divide the transfer by (speed / 10) and you've got your time.

    For instance, for a 200k connection, divide by 20, for 28.8, divide by 2.9

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    Yeah the calculator said that it assumed a perfect connection, so I knew right off the bat that it was inaccurate. Either way though, 17 seconds is closer to 21.333 than 18 minutes is.

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    i am just using the speeds from experience of downloading not mathematically what it should be
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    Originally posted by splufdaddy
    the calculator said that it assumed a perfect connection

    21.333 seconds is assuming a perfect connection also. The calculator is still off, though, because it's telling you how long it takes to transfer a specified amount of data, not how long a website of a certain size takes to download. It's neglecting the fact that some of the data transferred in those 56k is "other" information, such as packet routing info.
    17 seconds is closer to 21.333 than 18 minutes is.
    It sure is!


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