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    South Bay Webs - A Web Design Startup- Agency

    Here is my web design agency I am starting :

    http://SouthBayWebs.com


    Let me know what you think? Like it? Yay or Nay?

    I started with a photoshop layout and then modified a wordpress theme to make it look close to the website as possible.

    Here is the original photoshop layout I designed from scratch in adobe ps cc.

    12316600_1072710776093617_1827575420880466600_n.jpg

    I plan on being an active member of this forum and other forums around to gain and learn as much as I can in the way of marketing and bettering my web design skills.

    Thanks and let me know what you think

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    First of all, it's good that you want to stay and be active and learn. At least you want to better yourself.

    With that said, I'm going to tell you the major problem that I have right now...I don't know what to believe coming from you. You did admit to using a theme, which is a positive...if not, we would have identified it as the theme below. So that's a plus.

    Hazel | Creative Multi-Purpose WordPress Theme

    On the other hand, you're making claims about building "handcrafted websites" with "over 10 years of experience". People who handcraft websites and that have over 10 years of experience don't use themes unless they're forced to by a client, and they certainly wouldn't do it on their own websites. You also keep using "we" when you are quite obviously an "I"; you're far from the only person who has ever made this mistake, though.

    Your grammar and spelling are "inelegent". Your blog posts are clearly written by someone who lacks experience. But you're offering "copyright".

    If that Photoshop template is yours and you did indeed design it from scratch, use it. Otherwise, don't bother.

    I'm going to give you a three-word piece of advice that you won't like, followed by three options as far as what to do with it. You're not going to like the advice very much, but if you don't hear it from a non-designer like me now you'll hear it from a customer later.

    Three-word advice: Cut the crap.

    Your three options, presented in order of reward:

    1) Don't post any followup and abandon this thread.

    2) Post a followup, but try to belittle myself and anyone else who offers similar criticisms...and believe me, someone else will at some point...in an effort to defend that which has no rational defense.

    3) Take what you have shown us, blow it up completely, start again from scratch and put together an honest effort. Be an "I". Use a custom layout. Sell only that which you're capable of selling. Don't try to be 100 things you're not. If the picture in the original post is yours, use it...but you'll obviously have to make it responsive. If not, come up with something truly from scratch.

    Hopefully you choose #3 for your own sake.
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    Well I choose #3 but I do not have the time and means of doing so right now. I am on a strict time crunch, and am managing too much and do not have gobs of time to work on my own website for any longer than a couple days.

    on a side note : I know I am struggling with verbiage/copyright creation and even writing paragraphs lately but I do a great job usually. I am in a bit of a hypo-manic, manic phase still and I am going through a lot of medication changes and suffering from a recent Bi-polar 1 episode. I have been hospitalized 6 times in the last 6 years and the episode I just got out of was a strong one. So my brain is not working clearly at the moment. I am fairly certain my writing has to do something with the new medications/changes.

    I appreciate your honest feedback & advice.
    I do think, however that there is nothing wrong with saying "we" and treating yourself as a "company" and only being an individual.
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    Okay. I'm going to preface what I'm about to say with some empathy toward your mental health situation. I was misdiagnosed with a disorder as a small child and given Ritalin to deal with it, so I'm fully aware of the ways in which medications can screw with one's head. It's one of the reasons I practice a straightedge lifestyle.

    With that said, the problem you're going to have is that people reading your site are going to be unaware of your condition. They're going to read it as if everyone involved with the site is in complete control of their mental faculties. They're going to see a "we" and assume a group of people, not one person with an unfortunate mental health situation. If you want a parallel, think of paralegals that refer to themselves as "lawyers" and "law firms". They're not even close to law firms...in fact, most law firms either hate them or hire them to do junior flunky legal tasks such as generic form completion that don't require much thought. But they'll call themselves lawyers nonetheless.

    Let's say you were in a car accident. Your insurance company is jerking you around. So you hire a lawyer to represent you. But the lawyer turns out to be a paralegal going up against the insurance company's retained lawyer. You just brought a knife to a gun fight without realizing it wasn't a gun. (Side note: this isn't a hypothetical scenario. I know of at least three people, including myself, that this has happened to.)

    That's "we" vs. "I'. So that's the problem. Again, it's a common mistake, but it's one you're better off fixing so that you're upfront with people.
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    The "we" and "I" is truly a common mistake. I will be the first to admit that when I first started out and so I want to explain what made me change my mind.

    First, I chose to say "we" over "I" in the beginning because I thought it made "me" look more important. I assumed that if people saw "we" they would assume that theres a whole team behind me and that a company with more than one employee should be taken more seriously. Maybe you are feeling the same way about it? Maybe you have another reason you chose to do it. Whatever the reason, you should think about it for a second, and then realize, you are lying to your clients and actually belittling yourself and in a way devaluing the work you do. No way around it, its a lie. Maybe a subtle white lie, but its a lie nonetheless.

    Think about this, in the long run, who gets more praise? The guy that built the amazing app/website himself, or the team? Are you willing to share the pride in your work to non existent employees? All because you THINK "we" looks better than "I"? I mean do what you want, but personally if I spend 15 days working on something I want my hard work to be contributed to me! Not a team! If I bust my a%$ to reach a deadline I better get the credit, and ALL the credit I deserve.

    Which brings me to another point. As a team you may be expected to work faster. If a client expects more than "I" to be on a project than your deadlines may be shorter. Why should they allow you the time it takes 1 person to build a site when theres so many more!

    Not to mention the pure advantage and selling point you have as a single freelancer. Some companies don't want a big company working on a project. It becomes more personal when its just you. If were talking and I know its YOU thats going to work on my project its a little more reassuring.

    In the end, I chose "I" because I value the time and work I put into the projects I do, and do not want to share the credit with someone who does not deserve it, much less exist.


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    You don't want to share the credit? You egomaniacal PRICK, you!

    I knew I liked you for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGAME1264 View Post
    You don't want to share the credit? You egomaniacal PRICK, you!

    I knew I liked you for a reason.
    Haha! I am the first to admit that I am both selfish and egotistical at times. Especially when it comes to the work I do. I don't mean that I am a bad team player. I just want team mates to carry their own weight and everyone to be credited for the work that they did/do.


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    I'm a horrible team player, and I'm the first to admit that. A team player is the bitch who gets stuck doing all the work while everyone else takes credit and glory.
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    Thank you guys for the recommendations. I'll keep it in mind and adapt soon. I'm wanting to start a popular website but it just feels like google doesn't treat amateur web masters/designers the same anymore. I use to have a flash games website in 2004-2007 but algorithms changed and starting your own popular website just is not as easy as it use to be. I like this forum a lot. I need to study marketing I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthBayWebs View Post
    Thank you guys for the recommendations. I'll keep it in mind and adapt soon. I'm wanting to start a popular website but it just feels like google doesn't treat amateur web masters/designers the same anymore. I use to have a flash games website in 2004-2007 but algorithms changed and starting your own popular website just is not as easy as it use to be. I like this forum a lot. I need to study marketing I guess.
    Just make good content. Google has made it more difficult for sites that do not have great content, the "seo secrets" that people use are being targeted not good/honest web devs. Sure everyone gets hit with these changes but they don't affect the honest ones too much.

    Its not wrong to do it for the money, but producing great content should be your primary goal. Also, do not worry too much about Google rank, look at success through analytics and things you can control and see clear results. Ranking on the first page in your search results does not mean that you will appear there for me. Analytics gauges success, not SERP.


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